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	<title>Comments on: Juries don’t always do as they are told. Part 3</title>
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	<description>by Randy England, Jefferson City, Missouri</description>
	<pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 19:39:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: jzapert</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 08:01:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Casey, I didn't actually notice that oath ended with "and the court will supply the law." And good luck trying to determine what it means to "truly try" or whether or not a verdict is "true."

If there is no statute criminalizing it, no case law making it fit into another criminal category like contempt, and no punishment for it: then it is not a crime. Therefore it is a perfectly legal option available to the jury, period.

There is a tendency in this country to pretend things are illegal when they're not. (You know, like carrying cash.) There is no excuse for doing so, and if the feared consequences of any act are so great that you must lie to people and tell them it is illegal, then you should go ahead and try to pass a law to reflect that. 

I understand that judges (and prosecutors, obviously) have an interest in refraining from putting up "happy nullification" banners in the jury room. But, we all have heard the "there is no such thing as legal jury nullfication" instruction story too... a very carefully crafted lie more befitting a criminal than a judge.

I will continue to tell all my friends who get summonses about their power to nullify, and encourage them to be unintimidated by instructions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Casey, I didn&#8217;t actually notice that oath ended with &#8220;and the court will supply the law.&#8221; And good luck trying to determine what it means to &#8220;truly try&#8221; or whether or not a verdict is &#8220;true.&#8221;</p>
<p>If there is no statute criminalizing it, no case law making it fit into another criminal category like contempt, and no punishment for it: then it is not a crime. Therefore it is a perfectly legal option available to the jury, period.</p>
<p>There is a tendency in this country to pretend things are illegal when they&#8217;re not. (You know, like carrying cash.) There is no excuse for doing so, and if the feared consequences of any act are so great that you must lie to people and tell them it is illegal, then you should go ahead and try to pass a law to reflect that. </p>
<p>I understand that judges (and prosecutors, obviously) have an interest in refraining from putting up &#8220;happy nullification&#8221; banners in the jury room. But, we all have heard the &#8220;there is no such thing as legal jury nullfication&#8221; instruction story too&#8230; a very carefully crafted lie more befitting a criminal than a judge.</p>
<p>I will continue to tell all my friends who get summonses about their power to nullify, and encourage them to be unintimidated by instructions.</p>
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		<title>By: Juries don&#8217;t always do as they are told. Part 2 &#124; Missouri Criminal Defense Lawyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Juries don&#8217;t always do as they are told. Part 2 &#124; Missouri Criminal Defense Lawyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 23:18:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Gary French</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary French</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 01:15:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A juror must have an avenue to demonstrate their view of the law.  It is well understood by the masses" that justice is incidental to law and order.

The notion that an animal that cannot be called as witness has the "power" to authorize a search or a DA may grant an unwanted "privilege" as a means to force testimony are but two easy examples of where the government has lost the support of the community.

If you are the DA and all your evidence is circumstantial or the word "conspiracy" appears in your charge you don't want me on the jury.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A juror must have an avenue to demonstrate their view of the law.  It is well understood by the masses&#8221; that justice is incidental to law and order.</p>
<p>The notion that an animal that cannot be called as witness has the &#8220;power&#8221; to authorize a search or a DA may grant an unwanted &#8220;privilege&#8221; as a means to force testimony are but two easy examples of where the government has lost the support of the community.</p>
<p>If you are the DA and all your evidence is circumstantial or the word &#8220;conspiracy&#8221; appears in your charge you don&#8217;t want me on the jury.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy England</title>
		<link>http://blog.jeffcitylaw.com/?p=86#comment-56</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 19:13:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I understand what you are saying, but you have to admit that it is a strange illegality that can neither be stopped, nor punished.

You also have a good point that it makes jurors something like legislators. But keep in mind that the legislature writes laws that apply to all people at all times. They cannot be expected to know every instance when it might be unfair to enforce an otherwise good law. The jury serves as a safety valve, keeping that law from being enforced when such enforcement would be unfair and unjust.

There is a saying that hard cases make bad law. It is a warning to judges and legislators to be careful when they create rules that we all must later live by. The usefulness of letting a jury sort out those hard cases is that they can do justice in one case without creating a bad legal precedent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand what you are saying, but you have to admit that it is a strange illegality that can neither be stopped, nor punished.</p>
<p>You also have a good point that it makes jurors something like legislators. But keep in mind that the legislature writes laws that apply to all people at all times. They cannot be expected to know every instance when it might be unfair to enforce an otherwise good law. The jury serves as a safety valve, keeping that law from being enforced when such enforcement would be unfair and unjust.</p>
<p>There is a saying that hard cases make bad law. It is a warning to judges and legislators to be careful when they create rules that we all must later live by. The usefulness of letting a jury sort out those hard cases is that they can do justice in one case without creating a bad legal precedent.</p>
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		<title>By: Casey O'Brien</title>
		<link>http://blog.jeffcitylaw.com/?p=86#comment-55</link>
		<dc:creator>Casey O'Brien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 01:53:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And the court will supply the law.  Therefore jury nullification in fact is an illegal act unless the court provides incorrect instructions.

I don't advocate taking action against a jury or jurors that reach a verdict contrary to the law, but instructing them that it is OK is like telling a jury to become the legislature.  If courts shouldn't do that, certainly juries shouldn't.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And the court will supply the law.  Therefore jury nullification in fact is an illegal act unless the court provides incorrect instructions.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t advocate taking action against a jury or jurors that reach a verdict contrary to the law, but instructing them that it is OK is like telling a jury to become the legislature.  If courts shouldn&#8217;t do that, certainly juries shouldn&#8217;t.</p>
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